Is there a difference you would like to emphasize? I would say there is obviously an undisclosed problem of what is an object or what is its objecthood.

E.K: Yes, because as a bio artist I don’t make objects, I make subjects and a subject is truly alive, biologically alive, not a metaphor. In this sense it demands a response.

T.H.: Responsibility in the sense of care?

E.K.: Responsibility and respondibility. It is a totally different entity in the world and if you’re responsible for its existence you’re also responsible for its wellbeing.

T.H.: But it is still an artwork, an artifact. Criticism and art history still handle it as an object.

E.K.: You have to start writing an art history of subjects. You have to abandon the idea of writing an art history of objects. This has not happened yet.